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Bristol Bag Ban Plan Panned, Praised

Our readers have already offered lots of thoughts on Councilor Tim Sweeney's proposal to ban plastic bags in Bristol stores — check out their responses and add yours.

 

 

A proposal to follow Barrington in banning plastic bags from local retail stores has already generated lots of local reaction — including several comments posted on the Bristol-Warren Patch Facebook page.

Town Councilor Timothy Sweeney has suggested the ban, and the reaction of our readers showed a fairly mixed reception to the idea.

In the comment board of our initial article, Jack Baillargeron simply said: NO!!

Reader Lorraine F wrote:

I have given up on the replacement paper bags that Shaw's and other stores provide.

The plastic bags have strong handles capable of carrying three large bottles of water (yes, I recycle the plastic bottles).

The paper replacement bags Shaws is using with those little glued on handles (using paper mache paste) fail all the time, usually as I'm trying to get through the outside door into the house.

My recommendation to non-Barringtonites - shop once at Shaws and put a normal heavy load into a plastic bag, and the same heavy load into their paper bag.

OK, I can hear it now - why not use reusable bags? Well I do, because I now go to Sam's Club.

jackie cranwell spoke up for reusable shopping bags:

The recycle bags definitely work and many are avail free. No reason for not using. We need to train ourselves to take them into the stores.

A ban may be the only way to get people to stop using plastic, opined Ron Cranwell...

Yes ban them. People are too lazy to change. The average plastic bag is used for 15 mins but here for ever [sic]. Plastic is entering the food chain via our oceans. Do you want to eat plastic fish?
Buy a few nice cloth bags keep them in the car.

... to which Nancy L. Richard added her approval:

Ron, you have the right idea! We use canvas totes, which we keep in the car, and find it most convenient. We all have to sacrifice a little convenience for the sake of the planet. I hate seeing all those plastic bags on the side of the roads, not to mention the damage it does to wildlife.

Have your say!

What do you think of the plastic bag ban proposal? Offer your thoughts in the comments section below and keep the conversation going.

Related Topics: Bristol bag ban, Plastic shopping bag ban, and bristol town council

BOB I

7:51 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

a few years back the tree huggers were screaming to ban paper bags save tree. we went to plastic. now the greenies screaming to ban plastic save the ecology.the health freaks are saying the reusable bags carry germs. what will be next?

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Linda

7:56 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Using cloth bags is the way to go. They are strong and can carry heavy items. Its all
in balance. Use 2 bags to even out the weight. Plastic needs to go. Society needs to do its share. If you are going to carry a bag anyway why not one that doesn't hurt
the environment. I do not understand the negative comments. This is just common sense

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Isabella

8:43 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

"The average plastic bag is used for 15 mins... "
Maybe in your world, Ron. But I re-use plastic bags for many things, or I gather them up and recycle them in the convenient bins at the store - and I say this as someone who also uses my own reusable bags. People need to look at both sides, and not just the feel-good quick fix. As people have said the cheap paper bags they use at Shaw's are terrible, so people double bag - talk about waste. Then there is the hot water used and detergent going into the environment to wash all those reusable bags to get rid of bacteria.

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Jim Riding

9:22 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

We have nothing better to worry about?
In todays Pheonix it's story states names 2 people that are involved in advancing this. One is a councilman- the other person apparently is a resident.
This resident is concerned about the blight and trash and its' effects on our environment.
This same person did wonders with his property on Hope St(across from Gibson).
Maybe he should spend some of his free time cleaning up his own dump.

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Ethan

1:02 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Jim, Thank you for your thoughtful and creative thoughts regarding my passions and how I generally spend my free time. I have noticed you spend much of your time replying to articles on the Patch as I have read through your many reply's on articles. Just for the record, I am very concerned about the environment and extremely proud of my drive. Although I have not owned the Gibson House for a year, I take the property very seriously and do not appreciate your crass comments referring to it as a "dump". If your ever care to take the time to research the facts surrounding the project, I would be happy to make myself available. Please feel free to contact me any time at; 401.316.7749
Kind regards
Ethan M Tucker

Susan

12:56 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Congratulations Town Councilman Sweeney for showing real leadership on this vital issue in preserving our environment for future generations. The decisions we make now will enhance the quality of future lives. A little inconvenience should not be the abiding factor. I support you.

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Guy Guyverson

12:04 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Really Town Council.... This is the top of the agenda for the new council? Selectively telling business what they can or can not do based on personal initiatives of a council member.
How can you allow this for certain stores but not all? Bristolians do not litter our town or waters, it is out of towners who will still bring plastic bags in and leave them.

This is a BAD IDEA.. not trying to reduce waste and litter, but having a selected few tell the rest of us, and our businesses what we can and can not do.

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Mrs. B

12:30 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Special needs people at the Maher Center use recycled plastic bags to make shopping bags which they sell to fund some of their activities. Activities that the State of Rhode Island refuses to pay for. Do you really want to take that away from these beautiful people, Mr. Sweeney?

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bristolyte

12:55 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Where are the facts? I understand most of the plastic bags found it our waterways can be traced to MA, so how does banning bags in Bristol solve that. Typical emotion driven drivel and anti-business. Has anyone reached out to Stop & Shop, Seabra, Walgreens, etc to work on an acceptable solution or is the plan just to shove it down their throats? I guess our police officers don't have anything better to do...who will be enforcing this? Another law/ordinance to add to all the others not being enforced. Why not? We need a bigger government. They switched to plastic years ago to stop the cutting of trees, so it is all right to cut trees now?. Why don't they address personal recycling issues. Bristol had some of the lowest percentages in the state.

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Weetamoe

1:26 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Conceptually, we should make efforts to keep plastic out of our land and waters. This is the right way to go, but there are many unanswered questions. One can question the urgency and means of accomplishing this well intentioned effort. One can question whether this needs to be done by government intervention with more regulations and some type of enforcement agency and process. One can also question as to whether the plastic bag is the most serious threat to our waters. One can question if this ban is more of a feel good activity with little result at an unnecessary cost. Why not ban styrofoam cups and containers, why not ban plastic bottles, why not ban sandwich bags? Most of these items show up in our waters and our shores in greater numbers than plastic bags. Might a better goal be to get Fall River to improve their storm sewers and waste treatment facilities so that every time it rains Mt. Hope Bay is not filled with polluted water? Can we not achieve the goal of making our environment cleaner and safer by a community wide effort to educate and encourage residents and business to decrease their use and increase their re-use of all plastics? One gets the sense from a recent Phoenix article that big box stores are as much the target as plastic. The reduction of all plastic in our environment is the right thing to do, but we need not make the ban of plastic bags a dogma that may not be based on fact and that accepts no challenges.

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Eva Havas

12:57 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Bristol lags way behind in doing recycling of businesses even though if they recycled more they would save money. I'm relieved someone on the council cares enough about the environment to try and ban plastic bags. Who knows, maybe we will get all businesses to recycle as well!

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Ethan

1:03 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

As many of you are taking the time to leave comments on this article, I implore you to conduct a little research of your own on the web and see why this is an important issue that can be easily remedied. Take a look at the many cities around the world that have realized the very significant impact these thin film, single use bags have on the environment. Although other plastics like water bottles are having an adverse (and deserve attention) effect on our environment, thin film plastic bags are in a league of there own. They can end up circulating through the ecosystem in as little as 1-2 years. That means the very wonderful shellfish and seafood we all enjoy will have been effected. Keep that in mind the next time you order little necks, oysters, etc at your favorite local restaurant. Please take the time and conduct a little research of your own. Also, remember only a very few responsible people actually recycle the plastic bags at the local market. 9.2 % to be exact. That means for every 100 tons of plastic bags that ends up in our environment, only 9.2 tons are recycled. Please attend the workshop at the Bristol Town Hall on Feb 20th to learn more.

Ethan M Tucker

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Anthony D. Murgo

7:06 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Ethan I have to correct you about your statement on little necks being affected by plastic grocery bags. I've been a quahog fisherman for 32 years and I've never dug a plastic shopping bag out of the bottom of Narragansett bay. Any bags that do end up in the bay float and usually end up on the shore somewhere tangled in brush.

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Ethan

11:38 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Anthony,
Great to hear from you. I hope you are doing well and keeping warm out on the water. I am very glad you brought up that point. One of the biggest reasons this is a much bigger issue than most people realize is the nature of the thin film plastic bag. It is light weight and easily dispersed. It also breaks apart into smaller and smaller pieces over time, much easier than harder/thinker plastics. As the pieces get smaller one simply notices it less, but they do go somewhere. By the time the pieces are the size of a grain of sand( give or take) they absorb other toxins and pollutants in the water and imbed themselves in the ocean floor and elsewhere. This is where they can pose a real problem for filter feeders such as little necks. So you are right in some regards. Many of the bags from being out in the environment for a year or two end up floating to the shores or sink, but then eventually break apart. We should chat more on the topic. I think you would be very interested.

Best
Ethan

Jack Baillargeron

8:48 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Banning bags is nothing more than a feel good thing that accomplishes nothing and again penalizes those who follow the rules and do not litter4 with them.

How many times do we go to a shopping centers, grocery stores etc, and see bags blowing all over the place? Should not the shopping center be cleaning them up from being in the enviroment? Most are from that I suspect. Frankly if it is near me I pick it up and throw them away. If you see a bunch of bags on the street in your nieghborhood and you are walking, look at yourself in the mirror if you are not picking them up, its not like you don't have a bag to put them in ;-}.

A plastic bags does not break down in a landfill people scream. Well neither does a paperbag, or cloth or anything for that matter once it is buried it takes decades to happen, by the way. More on that later.

These platic grocery bags have been a boon to so many people for different uses. Poop patrol bags, One in your pocket or purse for those times when you need a bag for what even. There are crafts and many other uses for them. Just google it. I will post many links for this and you will be surprised at the ingenuity and simplicity of reusing them.

Will they end up in the enviroment eventially? Yes everything does since we have not invented a way to break them down at the molecular level, which is the only solution, except the humans are not all responsible, that you will never change.

Thats my take on it that.

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Jack Baillargeron

8:57 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Now for the politics of it. Why is time being spent on a problem that you can never solve. Votes that's why. This will accomplish nothing in the way of preventing litter. Ever wonder why the bags are free? The cost next to nothing for the stores and do not effect the bottom line. Paper does cost, so do cloth bags (which do have to be washed and disinfected if you have a brain which many I see do not in the stores), why should I have my budget higher because someone will feel good about it?

How many of you know they are recyled, with many drop of points in every State including our. I posted the link for that also. Quit expecting the Government to solve all problems, they are incapable of that. You should all be concerned about the Health, Family economy, jobs, and deficits in that order in my opinion.

Now for links ;-}

http://pinterest.com/sherron/plastic-bag-crafts/

http://www.plasticbagcrafts.com/

http://scraphacker.com/plastic-bag-crafty/

http://blog.makezine.com/craft/plastic_bag_crafts/

http://www.ehow.com/list_6897744_crafts-plastic-grocery-bags.html

http://www.plasticbagrecycling.org/01.0/

bio-based or compostable plastic bags

Drop off points in RI

http://www.plasticbagrecycling.org/01.0/s01.1.php

About 1,210,000 results (0.35 seconds) on google search for ways to reuse these bags by the way ;-}

Weetamoe

9:59 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Ethan,

No doubt this is an important issue and that we should reduce plastics that get into our environment. Let's agree on this point. However, the question remains why does this have to be done by government regulation? Additionally, several comments that you make impact on the credibility of the overall argument that should be made to educate a broader segment of the population. First of all the term "single use" plastic bag is misleading and I am sure would be challenged by a vast majority of people who use and reuse these bags. The argument that many cities are banning bags is not persuasive. Has any independent lab ever tested our local shell fish and other forms of seafood? I dig and eat little necks and clams all the time and I worry more about discharge problems in Mount Hope Bay. Do we have proof that I should be worried n more about plastic bags? Is recycling at supermarkets the only way of of recycling plastic bags? And this figure of 9.2% is a percentage of what cohort? Does not putting the bags in the blue bins count toward recycling? You are right to work to reduce the amount of plastic in our environment, but we should do so based on weighing all factors in this equation is a dispassionate manner.

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Jack Baillargeron

11:14 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

I agree Weetmoe, I tire of these feel good this when so many other things are the problems. I have said for decades that RI should pass laws that fine fall river and any business that creates problems for the fishing industry and require that these problems be fixed. Instead we feel good things on that and the problem exist for all my life so far.

When we see shellfish area's closed from 1 inch of rain over powering sewage system around the bay, the problem is not the rain!!!! Technology has advanced so much on this it is a shame this State has not addressed the bay problem in totality.

The answer is never banning. That does very little if anything at all to solve any problem. Don't know what is going on lately with all this banning movements. It may sound good but never addresses the real problems.

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Jack Baillargeron

11:16 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Oh and fines should be put into a fund for fishermen of all types to use for business loans and help funds for injuries etc, that can only be used for fishermen period. That includes people who shellfish also as they do seem to get lost at times when talking about the fishing industry even though they are the most affected with polution.

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Ethan

12:38 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Weetamoe,
Thank you for your reply. To touch on some of your points; "single use", has been used, but not in an official manner to my knowledge, because of the % the amount used once vs, used a few times, or recycled. The vast majority (more than 80% I believe is the # but I will check on that) end up used once and consequently the land fill or the environment. The 9.2% recycled rate comes strait from the state program. It was actually posted in a recent EcoRI article. Here is the Link, its about 2/3 rds the way down. http://www.ecori.org/front-page-journal/2013/1/18/ri-needs-to-reel-in-plastic-bag-waste.html
I do disagree with you on the fact that many cities around the world are taking the same initiative. The very fact that so many different governments feel its a worthy task, speaks volumes in my opinion. Especially when you compare an a city in India vs one in Rhode island. The two cultures are so very different.

YES, currently the recycling at the supermarkets are the ONLY way to recycle plastic bags. They are very difficult to recycle with current methods because of there thin nature. The new recycling system in Johnston cannot take them...... So putting them in the Blue bins does not help. When I mentioned thin film bags are in a league of there own, I was really serious. There is a ton more data available and I really encourage you to attend the workshop at the town hall on the 20th.

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Ethan M Tucker

Ethan

1:05 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Here is a great youtube video on the effects of plastics on marine life, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eos-uI1u9DM

If towns like Bristol can lead on an issue like this, maybe we can apply pressure on our neighbors to do the same. Do we want to teach our children one person or one town cannot make a difference?? Do we want to teach them that's its ok to be a throw away society?

Thank you

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Mrs. B

1:35 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

But we are a throw away society. We have thrown away our young through Abortion 55 million since 1973. We throw away our elderly by right to die laws in sevreal states, Euthanasia. Yes, we are a throw away society.

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Ethan

8:56 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Mrs B
I disagree, and although very tragic, its a tough comparison abortion vs plastic in the environment. If everyone stands idly by and does nothing maybe we will be. I for one stand up for my beliefs and intend on teaching my daughter exactly that.

Thank you

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Weetamoe

9:36 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Ethan,

I don't s disagree on the need to keep our land, air and waters clean. I do not think that anyone is promoting a throw away society. And yes we do we want to teach our children one person or one town can make a difference. A bag ban is hardly teaching.

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Ethan

11:59 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Weetamoe
Thank you, but I do respectfully disagree with your last statement. I believe there are many lessons to be learned. Take a loo at this article. Its about a 12 year old girl in Chicago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/illinois-plastic-bag_n_1646875.html

Thank you

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Weetamoe

9:17 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Ethan,

A bag ban is a regulation - it is not education or teaching. There may be lessons to be learned by a ban but it is not education it is a legal restriction and enforcement. You may educate along with a ban but a ban is a way of saying we are not going to educate we are going to force you to comply. A ban is an imposed on some one or some group from the outside, education should cause an inner sense of compliance which can be much more effective.

Ethan

12:01 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

All, there is a Facebook page for the; Bristol Reusable Bag Initiative, take a look and feel free to leave some comments.

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Andy B

2:02 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

San Francisco passed America's "first-in-the-nation" ban on plastic bags in chain grocery stores and drugstores in 2007. In a research paper for the Wharton School Institute for Law and Economics, law professors Jonathan Klick and Joshua Wright crunched state and federal data on emergency room admissions and food-borne-illness deaths and figured that the San Francisco ban "led to an increase in infections immediately upon implementation."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/S-F-s-plastic-bag-ban-may-be-unhealthy-4264075.php#ixzz2KcO4rbW4

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