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2016 the Movie Did you See it? What did you think?

I have recently seen the movie "2016: Obama's America" and was very impressed with the lucidity and clear presentation of facts without bias or prejudice.  As it is now #8 in overall box office receipts across the country, I thought it might be interesting to see what local folks thought of this production.  The trailer is at

http://2016themovie.com/

Immersed in exotic locales across four continents, best selling author Dinesh D'Souza races against time to find answers to Obama's past and reveal where America will be in 2016. During this journey he discovers how Hope and Change became radically misunderstood, and identifies new flashpoints for hot wars in mankind's greatest struggle. The journey moves quickly over the arc of the old colonial empires, into America's empire of liberty, and we see the unfolding realignment of nations and the shape of the global future.

This movie is showing in Swansea, Providence Place, Warwick Showcase, North Attleboro, and several other local theatres.

TERRY SOUSA

8:43 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012

BELIEVE IT TO BE A MUST SEE.
TERRY

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Patricia Bradley

8:07 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Did not need to see the movie. The Pres's "picture" of future U.S, has been very
transparent. The film must explain HOW he developed his view. Hey, if Mr. Moore gave pob although he disagrees, it's gotta be worth it. I am terrified enough now so just hope "thinking ADULTS" will give it a view and absorb rather than stand in line marching to the pied-piper like lambs to slaughter. Happy Days America.....not!

Diane Luzar

9:44 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

Every independent/undecided voter should see this movie and the movie should be free!! Very scary to see what Obama's lack of American history is bringing us to. The last 20 minutes of the movie pits it all together.

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Ray Andrews

3:22 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Please define "Obama's lack of American history" ?

TERRY SOUSA

10:06 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

FREE? WHY? WE HAVE TO GET OVER THE FREE KICK IN THIS COUNTRY.
TERRY

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Chris12

9:45 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I saw the movie this weekend.
If you are going to see this movie to be entertained and to leave the theater with a good feeling, I don't recommend it. Too much to contemplate
If you question if our country is heading in the wrong direction I recommend you go and see the movie and draw your own conclusions.

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Lu

10:05 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Well presented documentary that would benefit any person viewing it. The author asks some very good questions of many of the actions taken by the President and possible motives for them. I didn't leave the movie decidedly agreeing with the author. I left asking my own questions and to this day mulling my perception of those actions and suggestions to this day. Invigorating for sure.

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Ray Andrews

11:50 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/documentary

This movie is NOT 'a documentary', it is simply a movied adaptation of D'Sousa's earlier work. To call it a documentary is really quite inaccurate.

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Jack Baillargeron

1:01 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Did you read your actual link the robert ;-}.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/documentary

n. pl. doc•u•men•ta•ries
"A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration."

documentary [ˌdɒkjʊˈmɛntərɪ -trɪ]
adj
1. Also documental consisting of, derived from, or relating to documents
2. presenting factual material with little or no fictional additions the book gives a documentary account of the war
n pl -ries
(Communication Arts / Broadcasting) a factual film or television programme about an event, person, etc., presenting the facts with little or no fiction
documentarily ad

Or is it different when it is right wing leaning them Micheal Moore left leaning. Just saying ;-}

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Ray Andrews

1:15 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

It's 'Raymond'

Yes, I read the link. When you're make suppositions, and projections based on opinion, and when you engage "reenactments" then you're no longer basing it on fact, and it's no longer a documentary.

I don't think Michael Moore's stuff is really a documentary either. He relies more on fact and documented evidence, but he is far too heavy handed in neglecting to include any contradictory facts, sometimes going to the point of intentionally avoiding them.

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Jack Baillargeron

1:25 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

But Ray, Moore won an Oscar for a documentry that is no differnet than this one. You say it is not, yet those who determine what is and is no a documentry since the inception on movies do say it is.

BY your definition the Burns documentries and every one on the history channe are not either. Sorry but you are wrong on this by factual evidence of all past documentries. In other words it is what it is by the societal norms.

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Ray Andrews

1:39 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

If you're stipulating that sticking to documented facts doesn't matter then the discussion is moot. BTW I didn't indicate any comparison of D'Sousa's work and Moore's

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Jack Baillargeron

1:49 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

OOps on the robert lol. You are still missing the point Ray, me and you do not decide what is a documentary, the movie industry does. Also it matters not whether we think it is or not, the fact remains the guy did his research, you see the actual interviews right from the hourses mouth as they say.

If you do not know that Ray then I suspect you have not seen it. In which case you are going by here say and pundit critics which I never let stop me from seeing any movie. But thats me. To each their own as they say in the end. I guess we disagree, but until you watch the whole movie, it really confusing on how you can deride it. Even if you read the book, you still have to see the movie to do a real critique of it. Just saying

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Bryan Tavares

3:07 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Ray, Funny how you opted to use the second definition of a documentary rather than the first:
(1. Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents), last time I checked D'Sousa's book can be classified as a... document, (document (anything serving as a representation of a person's thinking by means of symbolic marks).

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Ray Andrews

3:18 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Bryan, I didn't use any particular definition.

Yes D'Sousa's book would be called a document, but I think you're missing out on the idea that a documentary is supposed to rely on documented facts. Writing a document, and then using that document as a source for a documentary doesn't
quite work.

If I get a box of crayons and draw a picture of the dragon I thought I saw. That's hardly the basis for a documentary about dragons, even if I do source that 'document'

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Bryan Tavares

3:32 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Ray, YOU say D'Sousa didn't use facts...I didn't. It is a phenomena about liberals, they never let facts get in the way of an argument or documentary.

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Bryan Tavares

3:35 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

cont'd: by the way Ray, what exactly did D'Sousa state that wasn't factual...to YOU of course.

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Ray Andrews

3:55 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Bryan, first you state incorrectly that I said D'Sousa didn't use facts, and then you challenge me to argue which facts I'm challenging. This is know typically as a straw-man argument.

I was not commenting on the veracity of D'Sousa's work, just that referencing your own previous work as fact negates being able to call the work a documentary

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Bryan Tavares

4:04 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Ray, Either he used facts (even 1) from his book (document) which he made into a movie which the industry has cleverly called a "documentary" or he didn't...let's call it what it is Ray, ...IT'S A DOCUMENTARY! YOU may not like it, but that changes nothing...and that's a fact.

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Ray Andrews

4:17 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

The publishing company releasing the movie decides how to categorize it

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Bryan Tavares

4:20 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I don't usually suffer fools this long...we're done.

Taxpayer1

11:52 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Having spent a lot of time reading about this president, I was happy to see a condensed production that fits the pieces together for popular consumption. I think D'Souza's thesis that anti-colonialism forms the basis for Obama's behavior and, in my opinion, disdain for America, is well documented and quite convincing. The only aspect of the movie that left me unsatisfied were the questions of who has financed the Obama rise to power. Who paid for the Harvard and Columbia educations? Was Obama a beneficiary of foreign-student status? Why did Obama and his wife surrender their licenses to practice law? There are still phantoms lurking in the shadows of America's own Manchurian Candidate. Perhaps D'Souza will answer these questions over time - but only if he is not silenced like the Kenyan Obama relatives by a re-annointed Barack Hussein Obama.

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Mark Smiley

12:44 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

We saw the movie the day of the "hurricane" that never really happened in Tampa. I left the movie theater wondering how someone could be raised mostly in this country, yet not be an American. Also, how did we ever elect this person who is not really an American. The answer is that we all become "sheeple" and we "did" what we were told to do.

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Mrs. B

1:48 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Yes, I also left with more questions. Who did finance Obama's rise to power, and for what purpose? Who paid for his expensive education? Much of the documentary is in Obama's own words. I wanted to vote for him in 2008 but I couldn't in good conscience because I didn't know him. This movie helps me to know him somewhat and now I am glad I made my choice to NOT vote for him. I believe he is a danger to our country. He has desimated NASA, and is on his way to desimating our military strength. He is a dangerous man and he has dangerous people controlling his puppet strings.

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marina peterson

2:15 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Comment from a reader:
My wife and I saw the film on Sunday afternoon (Lincoln). Very well done, a 93-minute documentary that goes fast. It does a strong job of showing the cultural and social influences of Obama's polyglot geographic and family background with lots of location footage. D'Sousa also supports convincingly his "anti-colonial" thesis for which so many of the bien pensant criticized him, and which I thought remote and implausible based on what I thought I knew. Several well-done graphics toward the end, where the story becomes current, show dramatically just how exactingly the effects of Obama's policies play out across the world and here at home to substantiate his case (ex: energy policy removes drill rigs from around continental U.S. and Alaska, makes them appear around Brazil, Mexico, and Argentina - gone from a colonizer, newly there in former colonial states). As he makes clear, the only theory which appears to comprehend all these major policy effects is the anti-colonial idea; mere ideology, party politics, payback to donors and supporters, etc. cannot explain them.

to be continued..

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marina peterson

2:15 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

continued

D'Sousa points out his similarities with Obama. They were born in the same year in the 3rd world, both are dark-skinned, both went to Ivy League schools, graduated the same year, and proceeded along vastly different paths. As a result, he has an appreciation for the nuances of native thought and custom on these matters (along with how a 3rd-worlder is selectively hustled in college) which would be invisible to a non-native. He delves at some length into the inconstant and even bizarre adults in Obama's life, beginning with a real gem in his biological father but with a mother who belatedly tries to make it a race. He can readily understand how, and thus some of the why, Obama turned out as he did. Little consolation, but seeming explanations often make things appear reasonable.

Tom & Muriel Linehan
Foster

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Bryan Tavares

2:58 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I went to view the movie on Friday 8/31 with my wife, daughter and son-in-law. We all found it extremely enlightening and eye opening, it sort of dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's. For me, there can be no other analogy except..."if it walks like a duck, etc." I came home that night and immediately posted the link for the movie on my facebook page and I will continue to do so periodically in order to keep it at the top of the news feed.

Bryan Tavares
Bristol, RI

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J Conte

4:25 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Nothing that surprised me here, really, but the presentation was very well done and directed. Very disturbing, once again, that even now the press is not vetting this president. CNN just aired an adulatory piece yesterday, "Obama Revealed" about what a great basketball coach he is and how he anguised over the decision to take out Bin Laden etc.

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Joe Loiselle

5:15 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

While I have yet to see the movie, my intention has always been to go since I first saw a preview a few months ago. I must say that I have enjoyed reading all of the comments elicited, whether I agree or not is of no matter. I'm glad this topic was chosen.

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Bryan Tavares

7:21 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

@Joe Loiselle, do yourself and the country a favor...SEE THE MOVIE!

Joseph Pires

10:49 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

I thought the movie was short on what really could be said about Obama. He has attacked this country for more reasons than mentioned. This president has put this country in a bad position regarding economics, policies both foreign and domestic, and has succeeded in dividing this country by class. He has not fought for America but against it at every turn. God help us all. If this man gets four more years I think many of us here know that we are afraid that we will not be able to recover. These are potentially dangerous times for America the movie only scrapes the surface.

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Adri Kalisvaart

7:29 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

After Obama became President I was worried about the future of America. After seeing the movie “2016” I am scared that what little is left of the America of our Founding Fathers will be obliterated. I ask myself: “What is it in our culture, in our intellectual climate, and in our view of morality that made someone like Obama reach the highest office in the land?” Having read the book “Atlas Shrugged” a few times it is now clear to me that it was almost inevitable that we would end up with a President like Obama. The book “Atlas shrugged” has a happy ending. I see no such ending for America.

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Ray Andrews

7:34 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

So what specifically has changed so dramatically in the last 3+ years to cause you such concern ?

marina peterson

1:13 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

We will be showing this movie on November 1st, Thursday, at the Rogers Free Library in Bristol. 525 Hope Street. Showtime is 6:30pm. Admission is FREE

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