This week there haven't been any out and out questions asked, but inevitably during a debate on the internet, social issues come up. So even in the midst of the PPACA decision by the Supreme Court of the United States I've decided to go with social issues for the week.
The two "social issues" I will go over this week are abortion and same-sex marriage. In both of these cases, I differ from most conservatives greatly. For abortion, for instance, I base my stance not on religion or emotions but on logic (admittedly with a side of emotion). On same-sex marriage, my overall opinion is different than most conservatives, but I think how I reached that opinion was based on conservative thinking.
I am adamantly anti-abortion. While pro-abortion advocates look at this issue as one to do with a woman's reproductive rights, those of us who are anti-abortion look at it as a person's "right to life" issue. Many people say, "I thought conservatives were for less government interference, why do they always go after abortion?," and this is why. We are also against murder, rape, theft, fraud and other crimes. Since we believe that the baby is a human life, why wouldn't we want to make abortion illegal?
When I was younger, I was pro-abortion (though I called myself pro-choice). It wasn't until a couple of years after my daughters were born that I entered into a debate about the subject with some friends and my thoughts went back to when my wife brought home a sonogram of my oldest daughter at about three/four months. I remembered how my daughter looked, she was essentially a just a tiny person. That's why my opinion started to change (it's also my "side of emotion" I talked about above).
I then did some research and found that once the egg is fertilized by the sperm, it turns into a Zygote. A Zygote is a complete human being; it has it's own distinctive DNA (separate from the mother's and father's). The mother's body even has to release certain enzymes so that it's immune system does not attack the baby.
From then on, when I encountered pro-abortion arguments I would submit it to my own personal test. Here are a few examples.
"My body, my choice" — It's my opinion that the "choice" is made when you decide to conduct sexual relations. This is why I am not against abortion in cases of pape. In those instances, the mother did not have a choice in the matter. There are many instances of murder where extenuating circumstances come into play. self defense, for instance ... or to save another life (why I am not against abortion if the mother's life is in danger from carrying the baby full term).
"It's just a clump of cells" — We're all just a clump of cells.
"It isn't sentient" — To this I ask, at what age do we gain sentience? Certainly not at birth, yet no one who says, "It isn't sentient" would agree with killing a one day old baby.
"It's not a fully developed human" — We are not fully developed until our early 20s. Again, no one who says that would suggest killing an 18 year old simply because they aren't fully developed yet.
"If you outlaw abortion you have to outlaw masturbation/menstrual cycles" — This one always makes me laugh, not just because I'm slightly immature at times but because it shows a complete lack of understanding of how human reproduction works. Which I leave to you to figure out for yourselves.
And finally, "You can't arbitrarily choose when it's a person" or "abortion is okay if they are not viable outside the womb" — Firstly, the decision isn't arbitrary in my case, once the zygote is formed, it's a third human being. It's neither the father or the mother, but a product of both. A zygote is a complete human being, nothing else other than nutrition (which is the case for any animal through it's whole life) is needed. Secondly, science progresses all the time. A person at four months gestation may not be viable now but in twenty years it may be. A person's status, both as a person and legally does not change based on whether there is a medical procedure to save their lives or not. If that were the case, we would be allowed to kill people with terminal cancer.
The next subject is same-sex marriage. My opinion in this matter is both emotionally and legally based. I am for it, 100 percent. This wasn't always the case. I was always emotionally for it, but legally I went back and forth on the subject.
First, the emotional case. Why shouldn't two people who wish to join in the union of marriage not be able to do so? It doesn't effect anyone, it's really no one's business actually. While the above has always been true, I do not form my opinion on an issue based on emotion.
I am not a Vulcan, but when an issue effects a nation of 300 million people, if you decide things based on emotions then you have to consider 300 million different emotions, and that's just not a good way of doing business.
Second, the legal case. When I was against same-sex marriage, I wasn't worried about letting people of the same sex marry; I was worried about the "slippery slope" — that if you let one thing go, you have to start letting everything else go. "What's next?," I would say ... letting a man marry his dog or car? Why did I think that? Because I wasn't looking at marriage as a legal contract; I was looking at it through a purely traditional lens.
Later, as I looked into the issue further, I realized that the U.S. Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate marriage. I saw the same within the Rhode Island constitution as well. That changed my opinion on the legal aspect of same-sex marriage tremendously.
Unfortunately, through the years, many things became hinged on an issue that the government never even had the power to regulate. Everything from hospital visitation and the settling of an estate to not letting Utah become a state unless they outlawed polygamy.
I am totally opposed to DoMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and while I am against any state amending their Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage, I do feel that they are well within their rights to do so.
As you can see from these two opinions, there's a good reason why I call this blog, "Ask A Conservative" and not "Ask Conservatives." My opinions and the reasoning behind them do not always reflect 100 percent of what a typical conservative may think nor why.
I'd also like to add, that while in a case of a public referendum I would vote to either outlaw abortion or allow same-sex marriage, neither issue would be likely to determine who I vote for candidate-wise. Economics and foreign policy are the two main issues I use to determine who my vote goes to, with these types of issues placing a distant third.
Thanks for reading the third installment of "Ask a Conservative." I invite you all to ask questions of me either through the comments below or through e-mail to bpalu10183@yahoo.com. I also invite you to check out my blog which currently has the first part complete in my exercise designed to repair Rhode Island economically. I'm looking for comments and suggestions there as well.
Bryan Palumbo
10:14 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
I'd like everyone to know that I'm not in favor of abortion when "pape" is involved. My whole family are Papists, and that's not an excuse. It was meant to be "rape" that I consider an extenuating circumstance that allows for abortion. Apologies again for the typos.
Jack Baillargeron
12:56 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Part 1
Don't know if I will post on the Abortion issue as I spent a lot of time on that one over the years, and if I find my previous post, which I think was pretty good on it I will post it ;-}.
To the Marriage thing, I find it tedious and much ado about nothing, other than 2 ideologies clashing over a single word I.E. “marriage”. I believed long ago that this issue was wrong on both sides.
The so called Gay supporters decided it was better to make it a religious issue when in actuality it is a tax and benefit issue. By deciding to change a historical Union contract with roots in religion they garnered wrath of the majority who believe it is sacred. Whether is actually is or not, it is to them and was stupid to think they would not fight it tooth and nail.
I have many gay friends who do not support gay marriage at all as these groups do. Rather they support what I do on this. Individual States giving the exact same rights to “Civil Unions” that are given to those that get a “Marriage License”. This would require one thing; 2 forms at the clerk’s office, one for Marriage and one for Civil Unions. The State shall honor for benefit purposes as the same contract. See that was easy.
Jack Baillargeron
1:44 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Part 2
The Federal Government has no power granted to it for ordering States or Citizens for the matter, that they must follow some social ideology period. So DOMA is ridiculous for anyone to support in my opinion. Again it is a tax and benefit issue only.
Had the so called Gay & Religious Communities not started by trying to totally change history State and Federal laws, and try to make it a civil rights issue etc. This would not even be a problem right now, if they had stuck to making it about tax and benefit equality, like it originally started as; before it morphed in to this debacle of division, that in the end will continue now for decades, no different then the Roe vs. Wade. In my opinion.
It is a very slippery slope when you allow the government to start dictating moral standards under the guise of personal belief systems, which is what we abhor in Countries like “Iran”. It should not matter to any religious group or anyone else in this Country where we cherish the freedom of choice, but alas, once it becomes a political animal, it never ends, I also think anyone who votes for a candidate based on just this issue or abortion issue alone is a fool, and as John Stossel like to say, they are to stupid to vote. ;-}
Jack Baillargeron
1:45 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Part 1
The problem on the Abortion issue is a tough one, in order to make an opinion on it, past history must be considered along with social and moral considerations. I believe there is no answer to the question in a Country that has the freedoms America has. This seems to boil down to a matter of opinion by individuals one who decides in a Representative Republic the personal actions of citizens; the people or the Government.
There is also the problem of damned if you do, damned if you don’t on supporting or not supporting. If you are Religious and your faith forbids something; in this Country that is a right granted by the Constitution that the Government has no business legally of interfering with, as long as it does not violate any other part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights.
The problem comes when you look at the rights of those who do not have this mandate from their religion or there belief system. Are those rights trumped if majorities of the people are against it? The answer for me is no. Minority rights are no different then majority rights in a Republic; both must be respected, even by those who disagree.
Jack Baillargeron
1:45 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Part 2
To the life of the unborn, there have been many studies done on the beginning of life. Well you could say, the minute the egg is fertilized it is a human, you can also say it is not yet a viable human. The question become, if it is, then does it have rights or not. The courts have decided it does not up to a certain point of I believe it is 20 weeks now? Then there is the rape, incest, life of the mother, viability of the fetus etc. These have been left to the decision of the families through out history.
I also think that the Father has as much right in the decision as the mother; however the father does not have the right to risk the mother’s life nor to force the mother to raise and care for the child or vise versa in my opinion. Fathers invariably seem to be out of the loop, when the pregnancy cannot happen with out them and they have as much DNA involved as the Mother. Again it boils down to personal choice by the individuals. It is mainly for this reason; I support the Courts determination on the laws created by the people. In a Country of laws that can be changed, amended etc. We have seen this issue go back and forth in history.
Jack Baillargeron
1:46 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Part 3
Should there be limits? Yes there has to be, or you end up with a society that can literally force itself in to extinction. I would refer you to China, where they aborted so many females that they no have a large problem with the ratio of females to males that is causing there population to dwindle and stagnate. Lot more on that, I can’t recall it, but it was scary reading.
In closing I would remind people of Faith that all my life I have been told that GOD gave us all freewill and the consequences of that freewill are yours and yours alone. Not even GOD chooses your actions by that reasoning to my knowledge for most religions. Whether people support or do not support the action of abortion, the bottom line is that it is a choice in my opinion. Just because one supports choice on that basis, does not make them pro or con for abortion, it makes them supportive of the law of the land and the law of most religions, that believe in free will.
bustopher1
10:27 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
There you go again. This isn't Bristol Warren Patch - This is Jack Blah Blah Blah Baillargeron's private soap box. Part 1? Part 2? Part 3? Where does it stop? Should there be limits, you ask? Yes, ( and that should be have to be, not has) there should. ONE comment per subject would be nice to start with. You are forcing this comment section into extinction by your constant, long winded cut and paste "comments". In closing, (you left out the comma again) you have become a crashing bore. OOOOHHHH! Look at that!!! LOL!! I have attacked your first ammendment rights!!! LOL I must be an evil communist!!! LOL!!! Now go ahead and tell me what an evil socialist I am!! LOL!! I LOL will LOL pay LOL attention. (Not!!!!)
Jack Baillargeron
1:45 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
At least I gave my opinion on the two "social issues" of this Blog. Unlike you, who seems to have an unnatural fascination with me and thinks they are some “deity”. Though most call your ilk “Anonymous Internet trolls”. I suspect you will never post any intelligent post related to the actual Blog subject. But as long as you are trying to antagonize me (Which is not working at all lol), you’re at least not bothering other posters. Since this particular Internet Medium is owned by AOL and the Huffington Post, there is plenty of bandwidth even for your kind.
I know it is not supposed to be wise to feed the “Anonymous Trolls” as a rule. However since you moved from Water Street, the neighborhood at least smells better lol. Thanks for that. ;-}
I guess it is ironic that you totally agree with my take on “Gay Marriage” being allowed, but do not want me to give my opinion on it. How does that work? What a lonely life you lead now, if this is what you get enjoyment out of. How sad.
bimbels
12:41 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013
Hahahaha. I've missed the history between Jack and bustopher...but jack, I will say, you do type a LOT. I start to gloss over and skip to the next. It would be nice if your comments were more concise. :)