Now is not the time for silence. Town leaders need input from residents.
The Council worked diligently to keep spending down without cutting positions (which by the way are held by mostly town residents). We kept our budget within $0.01 of last years’ total. Do the residents of Warren want to have their taxes go up by approximately $0.45 per thousand? If that is fine with everyone, let us know. If it is not fine, we need to hear that even more.
The editor of the East Bay Newspapers is knocking the Warren Town Council for trying to keep a budget that does not add undue burden on our tax rate. Mind you, the writer of this editorial did not appear at any of our budget hearings, nor did any reporter from that paper. Instead the reporter took time out of our very busy Town Manager's day to ask questions about the printed budget he obtained from the clerk’s office. He did not see us agonizing over what is more important, cutting jobs or trying to spend less on each and everything we do as a municipal government.
I have no doubt the BWRS Finance subcommittee made some difficult choices. Budgeting is not easy and I applaud them in their efforts. The place where I part ways with their methodology is that they figure the state says we can give them 4% more than last year, and they apparently built a budget backwards from there. Now it may not have happened exactly that way, but the result is the same. And next year in keeping up that thought process, we need to give them 4% more than that, and so on, and so on.
There has to be some accounting for the fact that families in Warren are losing their homes, they are having to move out of their apartments to different towns because landlords are forced to raise rents. Bristol has double the amount of people to spread the additional funding out among so the effect of an increase is half of how it affects the Warren residents. So while the requested increase to Bristol is a 3.26% increase, the effect to Warren is a 5.32% increase.
There is much to be said about the enabling legislation being flawed. The original agreement may have had flaws, but the reality is, we are paying Blue Cross for life for way too many people. While Warren gave up all our neighborhood schools and added on to one for an updated elementary. Warren got out voted by Bristol; kept most of their neighborhood school intact; voted down one new elementary school; came up with Colt Andrews renovation which cost MORE than a new school and now declares there is not enough room at any of the schools for the increased enrollment. So you may have to forgive my reluctance to dole out more money than even I can afford on another increase in taxes.
Here is the purpose of this information. I am not saying this to try and polarize Towns against Towns or Towns against School Department. But the reality is, Warren could be in the same predicament as Central Falls, Woonsocket and Providence if we don’t protect ourselves. That is why people elected us, to look out for Warren. If the majority of Warren tells us to give the school department what they are asking for, we will give it and try to muddle along. But there will be cuts somewhere else. And it will affect families that live here.
If Warren asks us not to give it, then we will go that way. But some input from our citizens would be nice. We are here to serve you.
Dee
3:21 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
There should be an easier way to voice our opinions, ask questions ets...The town meetings are very overwhelming for those of us who have public speaking phobias. Perhaps smaller meetings in different communities or neighborhoods? It seems to me those who do speak their mind are always the same people, or are too overbearing for some of us who really want to keep it friendly.
John Tattrie
6:03 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
Dee, you are correct, sometimes a low key discussion tends to be more productive. As time passes people start to become aggravated with the things they see happening and then the battles start. Perhaps a neighborhood meeting in different areas of Town would be a good thing to try on occasion.
Cathie Tattrie
6:13 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
Dee, the budget hearings are notoriously not well attended. I think I speak for any of the town Councillors when I say, email us, call us, whatever it takes. All of our email addresses are posted on the town website. Mine is riemt@aol.com.
Mark Smiley
3:22 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
The residents of Bristol/Warren are not a bottomless pit of money that the School Committee just needs to continue to tap into. Since Regionalization, which was done to save us money, the budget for the School Committee has skyrocketed.
John Smythe
5:40 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
Amen, Mark!
Gina
3:27 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
What is the best way for Warrenites to give the Council the input you are requesting...Would it be at the Town Council Meeting next month ?...The Joint Finance Committee Meeting at the end of this month ? Is it a phone call to town hall ? A letter to Rep Malik ?...what's the best way for people to get involved ?
Cathie Tattrie
6:17 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
Gina, call or email any of us. Write letters to the editor. Tell all your friends to call or email anyone on the town council. All of us!! All emails are listed on the town website. We need to hear from everyone before March 27th which is the next Joint Finance Committee Meeting. It wouldn't hurt to tell the Bristol Councillors how you feel too. They out vote us.
DownTown
5:27 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
The State is cutting back funding for the BWRSS by nearly $9 million gradually over 10 years.
The school system was given additional funding in the 90s to take care of the one time costs of regionalizing the schools. That funding continued every year because the state took forever to come up with a funding formula. The new formula is in place and the schools are taking that hit now.
Regionization was supposed to save money. Instead the school system spent like drunken sailors.
Given that the younger population of RI has gone down in numbers dramatically over the last 12 years I question the claim of rising enrollment here. The state passed a law recently that made the drop out age 18 in order to prop up enrollment numbers so there wouldn't be any lay offs for teachers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43657480/ns/business-local_business/t/states-are-losing-children-fastest/
4. Rhode Island
Relative Decrease In Population Under 15 (2001-2009): -12.68 percent
Percentage of the Population Under 15 in 2001: 20.11 percent
Percentage of the Population Under 15 in 2009: 17.56 percent
Actual Decrease In Population Under 15 (2001-2009): -2.55 percent
Median Age 2001: 37.5
Median Age 2009: 41
Kristen Quinn
9:13 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
I question your numbers, DownTown. While you're cutting and pasting numbers from I-don't-know-where, I've seen firsthand my child's classroom grow from 18 students at the beginning of the 2010-2011 school year to 24 students as of last week. And the other two classrooms in his grade at his school have grown similarly. That approximately 18 students added in one grade at one school in an eighteen-month period. Don't trust random statistics; ask the people who are in the buildings everyday.
DownTown
11:58 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
You apparently didn't click on the link to the story on MSNBC. They are not my numbers. This is from the latest census data. This is for children 15 and under.
Those are not random statistics. Yours is though since it is based on personal observations of just 3 class rooms.
Kristen Quinn
9:10 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
Fine, DownTown, now I've read the article you linked too. It only reinforces my position. The statistics you quote are a generalization of Rhode Island taken as a whole over the period 2001-2009; the numbers I'm talking about are occurring in Bristol-Warren schools right now in 2012.
DownTown
12:28 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
By your 'statistics' Bristol and Warren have had a 33% jump in school age population even as the state as a whole has dropped?
3 classrooms does not a statistic make.
Kristen Quinn
6:04 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
DownTown, statistics are generalizations, and they are not meant to be applied to smaller populations. The statistics you cling to are not representative of what's actually happening in the classrooms in our local schools. I care not one little bit what your statistics say. I care what is happening in my child's school.
Kristen Quinn
9:35 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
Cathie, these are hard times and the Warren councilors are to be commended for working hard to build a trim budget. My difficulty comes from the what I perceive to be a difference of perspective between some town leaders and many parents. Warren dedicates a much lower percentage of its budget to education than most communities in RI, yet Chris Stanley is quoted in the Warren paper in such a way as to imply it should be even less! From my perspective, education should be the top priority in a town's budget. It seems to me that the school department has been more than transparent, especially now with UCOA. It sounds to me like too many people around town are happy to consider our children collateral damage as part of a budget strategy intended to force the teacher's union to take a hit this year - this is not okay with me, or with any of the parents (and taxpayers) I know. Our children are not pawns.
Cathie Tattrie
9:01 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Kristen, make no mistake, I am both a Councilor and a parent with two children left in the school system and one that went through already. But the reality is the total budget for the town of Warren is aproximately $22,000,000 and the School Department is asking for $12,000,000. I hardly think that is an underpayment. We are not asking for the kids to be harmed or the teacher's union. I appreciate that you responded because that is exactly what I was looking for, input, for or against, Some times the Council makes decisions we think are best for the majority of residents, and then find out we were mistaken, so I asked for opinions because I think this is VERY important.
Kristen Quinn
12:20 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Cathie, I believe you're sincere, which is why I've been responding here. I believe you're looking for people's opinions, which is why I'm typing :) Thank you for reading everyone's responses.
Joe Burns
10:08 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
BWRSD has to understand that a 5+% increase is too much! Warren has its responsibilities and if the municipality had to cut back so do the schools!!! Taxpayers first! No extra money to the schools!
Anna Palmieri
10:16 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
I think that the school department is getting more then enough to run the schools. If there is so much concern let the teachers take a cut in pay like every one else is. People are losing jobs and homes, not getting pay raises. Also the elderly are living on a fixed income but yet the teachers keep getting their raises. Come on teachers get real.
DownTown
12:03 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
Government sector unemployment nationally is just 3.9%. For them its as if there hasn't been a bad economy for the last 4 years.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm
John Tattrie
12:23 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
It was my understanding that the Bristol/Warren school system may have some employee's that are receiving Blue Cross coverage for life? If this is in fact correct, it needs to be stopped at all costs. It would make no sense what-so-ever to lay off a Warren Town employee so that someone in the School system can keep receiving a full benefit package with no cuts, it's insane! The kids have always been used against the Towns when it comes to money. The education part won't matter if we go broke. Perhaps that needs to happen and then start from scratch without all those extravagant contractual agreements from the past.
Still Broke
11:31 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Several years ago, Helen Barbosa was given Blue Cross for life. She retired soon after. I'd like to say I was shocked but...
Gina
12:58 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
I'm wondering if the muni bills introduced to the legislature by the governor this week will aid Warren in any way..also..once Fatima closes next year there should be some savings there I would think...at the very least in the extra busing...are all the town councilors in agreement on the issue at hand in this letter...?
Gina
1:01 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
My above questions are more directed to Cathie ..the author of the letter..unless someone else in the same household wrote it as well....
Cathie Tattrie
9:06 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Not sure which bills you are referring to so I would hate to comment on the wrong one. Once Fatima closes, there will be more kids in our school system which would increase expenses for the school department. Busing to Fatima has never really been much of an issue since it lies within our community. I can only speak for myself, though all Councilors voted to level fund the school department.
Gina
9:15 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/03/chafees-municip.html
Cathie...I was referring to this..I know some of the bills address distressed communities only, but some cover all towns ( if they pass )...I don't know all the specifics of these bills either...just curious if you knew...
Still Broke
11:26 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Cathie... I would bet Fatima closing will have a negligible effect on our schools. Some of those kids are from out of the district to begin with. Also, a high percentage will probably go to another Catholic high school elsewhere in the area.
DownTown
12:34 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Fatima closing will likely increase costs unless none of them end up going to public schools. More heads more teachers etc.
The part of Chafee's bill that is for highly distressed communities won't apply to either Bristol or Warren although if this was 10 years from now and the area had already been stripped of $9 million a year in state aid for schools we would be considered distressed.
Cathie Tattrie
3:05 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Gina read the article and did some research. The proposals would provide some relief. It will be interesting to see how quickly they can be approved. Ironically two of the items were discussed between myself and BWRS Finance Director Pauline Silva. I will definitely work on the Council sending in to our legislators our support on several of these relief measures. The only issue becomes are we distressed enough. Warren maybe, Bristol may not be, so we will have to see the effect of our combined school system.
@RightInRI
4:32 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/04/30-ri-cities-an.html
Is Warren going to participate in this ?
Kristen Quinn
9:15 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012
So, it all does seem to boil down to a difference of perspective. Joe Burns says "Taxpayers first!" John Tattrie advocates reversing an unsustainable financial benefit burden "at all costs". I say it is unconscionable to sacrifice the quality of education our community's children receive in order to get what you want from the teacher's union. There are better ways.
John Tattrie
9:01 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Folks, while I do share the same roof over my head as my wife, I do not always have the same information flow that she receives. I in fact paint a much different picture of the problem than she and her fellow councilors. I read this blog as all of you did on-line with no previous fortune of a "heads-up". Kristen, I am deeply concerned over a budget that is trimmed to bare bones, leaving the only next move on the part of the Warren taxpayer, to lose some portion of public service. It serves no good intention on the part of the School Dept. to request money without a broad explanation of where it is all going. No one deserves a Blue Cross Package for life in the School system! One Half of Warrens Town budget goes to the School System, leaving it in a very bad position even in good times. There is no comparison between Bristol and Warren Financially other than they share a school system. Allow everyone to see a line-by-line item of expenses of the school budget, Im sure we can find places to make cuts without hurting the children in any fashion. Things are not improving around RI, Warren isn't protected by some secret power to keep it solvent, people have to learn to make changes.
Cathie Tattrie
9:08 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Kristen, please feel free to contact me directly should you have ideas that may help. Honestly sometimes we get so caught up in the numbers, it's possible to be missing the obvious.
Kristen Quinn
12:08 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
John T, I agree with you 100% - the taxpayers should not be footing the bill for any Blue-Cross-for-life benefits package. But how can this be reversed? I do not think approving less money than the school department requests is the way to change this benefits dilemma. Nor do I believe the teachers' union will agree to pay cuts if the towns approve less money than the school department requests. What I think WILL happen is that programs will be cut, programs that currently add value to our children's education. The school department HAS presented both a broad explanation and a line-by-line accounting of their budget request - with the advent of UCOA, the Uniform Chart of Accounts, it is now possible to see where virtually every penny of school district money is spent. Please do not demand that they face over $1 million in cuts to next year's prospective budget, unless you also commit to meeting with the director of finance, meeting with the superintendent, attending the budget subcommittee meetings and the regular school committee meetings, and speaking with your state legislators - put your money where your mouth is, as my mother always says, and be part of the solution.
DownTown
12:40 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Spending other people's money is so easy..
If the school department had used the money they had been getting to LOWER costs, which was it's intended purpose, we wouldn't be facing a shortfall in funding for schools.
Smiley
9:48 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
The school department needs to do more with less like everyone else has been doing for years. They will tell us that it's impossible, but it's not impossible. Our school department is administratively heavy. Classrooms that have 20+ children in each class is ridiculous in a system that has 8-9:1 ratio children to employees. Start cutting the administration. Review every job for value and cut the ones that don't return value for the primary mission of the system, a better education.
Kristen Quinn
12:10 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
is it possible your 9:1 ratio is misleading, as it likely includes custodial staff, cafeteria staff, specialists, secretaries, and other job titles besides teachers?
Still Broke
11:08 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I appreciate the hard work the town council has to do. Just because the law says that taxes can go up 4% doesn't mean they must go up 4%.
In the last 3 years, oil has gone from $1.49/gal. to $3.70/gal. and although my house is worth much less than it was then, my taxes have gone from $4343/yr to $5161/yr. That's an increase of about 19%!! My house is nothing special. It is a fairly typical Warren home. It's a 3 bedroom cape with a 2 car garage on a 1/4 acre lot.
Also in the last years, I have received no raises and the required contribution to health insurance increased every year. My company couldn't afford to give raises or swallow the increase in health insurance. In fact, last fall, I was laid off. I was lucky to find a new job with a great employer and fantastic people to work with but, it pays more than $11,000 LESS than I was making before. My paychecks are $450 ($900/mo) less than they were 3 years ago. I NEED the town coucil to hold the line on taxes.
On the other hand, I have 3 children in public school. I want them to have the very best!! I have friends who are teachers. I am happy for them when they get benefits that I will never see in the private sector.
It's a very tough situation all around. Thank you to all the public servants who are trying to do what is best for all involved.
Kristen Quinn
12:18 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I know what you mean. My husband hasn't had a raise in 4 years, our health insurance premiums have gone (way) up in the last several years. I've stayed home to raise our children, and now I'm looking for a job that will still allow me the flexibility to be available to my kids if they need me (there are LOTS of those kind of jobs floating around, right?). My husband is in construction, so we've been living very very frugally. Our car is 14 years old (man, do I need a new car!). We don't go on vacations. We eat a lot of pasta. We were lucky enough to buy our small, simple house right before the housing market went crazy and prices shot through the roof. The thing is, I recognize that there's nothing more important than education, so if my taxes need to go up to maintain a quality education for my kids then I can figure out how to make that work. Because a quality education for every kid in our community is what's best for those kids AND what's best for our community.
DownTown
12:58 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
The actual per year loss in state school aid is actually under $900,000 because area reps were able to get extra money for busing.
Anyone who thinks this loss in state aid is going to be completely made up in local tax increases has a screw loose.
Bloated teacher contracts were negotiated while the area was receiving unwarranted additional state funding that will be gradually cut back over 10 years.
For those of you that say 'it's all about the children' because they have kids in school now I suggest donating your extra cash to the school system. In other words put your money where your mouth is. No one in my family has seen the inside of a public school for 60 years.
Year 1 loss -$900,000 cumulative loss -$900,000
Year 2 loss -$900,000 -$1.8 million
Year 3 loss -$900,000 -$2,7 million
Year 4 loss -$900,000 -$3.6 million
Year 5 loss -$900,000 -$4.5 million
Year 6 loss -$900,000 -$5.4 million
Year 7 loss -$900,000 -$6.3 million
Year 8 loss -$900,000 -$7.2 million
Year 9 loss -$900,000 -$8.1 million
Year 10 loss -$900,000 -$9.0 million
Kristen Quinn
6:11 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
DownTown, I have no difficulty believing no one in your family has seen the inside of a public school for 60 years. Which is a shame, because if they had, they might have been attending a community concert performed by townspeople of all ages, or they might have witnessed a theater production performed by a group of bright and talented young people. Or they might have been volunteering their time to act as mentors for disadvantaged young people in our community. Or they might have been supporting the Women's Resource Center by attending an art exhibit and buying a piece of art work. Or they might have been there for dozens of other reasons why members of a community would have reason to enter a public school building long after their children have graduated. I don't know where you live, but I live in a community, and it does not matter if you have children in the public schools - we all bear the responsibility to ensure that all our community's youth are well-educated and to support that effort.
DownTown
6:26 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I do not bear the burden of educating everyone else's children no matter what the cost. At the same time the state is pulling state aid away from the area the schools employees will still be looking for raises etc.
I recommend that you get together with the other actual parents who have children in school and raise money to make up the difference.
My concerns about the community center on the roads, the police and anything else the town provides outside of educating your children, which by the way costs just under $15,000 a year per student.
You have your priorities and I have mine. Just because you say or write something doesn't make it true.
Kristen Quinn
9:51 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
and so with you, just because you say or write something doesn't make it true. I agree; we have different, and conflicting, priorities. We also seem to have different perspectives regarding the work that went into building the school department budget request; I believe they are doing their due diligence to keep it reasonable and I think you do not. So again, it comes down to different perspectives. I do hope that our town leaders will not be listening to the arguments of people who believe they bear no responsibility for supporting the education of "everyone else's children" while continuing to live in this community.
Gina
1:12 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Shouldn't there be a bigger focus on what's happening in arbitration with the bristol warren teachers union right now...isn't that where changes can be made..ie. blue cross for life, elimination of some top administration posts..etc...it seems to be what many people on here and other forums are concerned with..I honestly don't know...I cant go to all the meetings unless I take my children with me so I have to rely on what is being reported and doing a lot of reading...
DownTown
1:21 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
You're right. It's likely that the school systems costs are 80-90% labor and benefits.
I don't expect much in the way of cuts though. Look at the money they spent on Colt Andrews when there was an existing school that was used just a few years ago - Reynolds. It's going to come down to the towns pushing back on the school committee just the way it's being done in other communities around the country right now.
Cathie Tattrie
2:23 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I actually do not think the recipients of Blue Cross for life is something that is currently a part of the union contract. I believe it was part of the overall agreement when the two towns combined the school departments. So they teachers bought into the combining if they got it. My understanding is that teachers now pay 20% of the cost of insurance.
John Tattrie
1:28 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I must clarify something before I get ahead of myself, I in no way want to see teachers lose their jobs, I have a great many friends that teach in this school system and I think they do a fantastic job, the problem I have is with the administration and all the secret stuff that the general public doesn't know. Without a look at line-by line items one can only assume that the administration is doing whats right for the general public. I had been told by someone in the school system that a great many retired staff receive a hefty health care package well after leaving the system, I dont know of anyone that receives this in the private sector, perhaps a year or so after leaving yes, But for Life? this is unheard of. And it's not teachers that are getting this, it's administration people. That needs to stop tomorrow morning if there is any validity to it! Then we can talk about the budget with some logic behind it. I take a serious offense to an administration that would like to threaten us with our kids education over the loss of extravagant personal benefits well after leaving the system. Put the numbers on the table line-by-line for everyone to see, and then some discussion can happen. Oh yes, and forget about binding arbitration, No Way!
Kristen Quinn
5:57 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
John, Tattrie, I don't understand why you continue to suggest the school administration has not been transparent, when I've commented I think 3 times now in this discussion that they have. I will try again. Thanks to the Uniform Chart of Accounts, also referred to as UCOA, it is now possible for anyone to study any school district budget in RI and understand where virtually every dollar is spent. There is no "secret stuff". If you are so interested in a line-by-line study of our school district's budget, then I suggest you make an appointment with the Director of Finance and ask to have her explain it to you.
DownTown
1:58 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
The Bristol Warren school district enrollment numbers from RIDE show a drop in enrollment of 399 students from 98-99 to the latest available statistics in 11-12.
There certainly hasn't been some huge increase in enrollment as some would like us to think so they can jam increases down our throats.
Has there been a corresponding drop in school spending?
http://www.ride.ri.gov/applications/statistics.aspx
98-99 3911
99-00 3916
00-01 3792
01-02 3810
02-03 3824
03-04 3688
04-05 3626
05-06 3543
06-07 3479
07-08 3460
08-09 3449
09-10 3537
10-11 3479
11-12 3512
DownTown
6:50 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
See, the statistics that I cling to were correct. Actual school population has dropped nearly 10% over the past decade but school costs continued to go up without abeyance.
I'm sure some anecdotal evidence will be used to counter actual local school statistics but that wouldn't hold true in a Math class..
Kristen Quinn
9:46 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Every math class I remember always cautioned against misunderstanding the application of statistics.
DownTown
9:07 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
The actual enrollment numbers from the RI Department of Education show that I am correct and you are wrong.
One thing that public school apparently doesn't teach is to admit when you are wrong.
Ignorance is bliss.
Kristen Quinn
4:21 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
DownTown, you seem to be getting very agitated. You can say you are right and I am wrong all you want, but I'm the person actually looking at the additional 12-18 children (who have come into my child's elementary school grade over the past eighteen months) every morning, while you proudly crow that you haven't set foot in a local public school in over 60 years. You also claim to believe that you bear no responsibility for the education of our community's children, though you do live in our community, so I am inclined to stop speaking with you about this issue, as we have reached a philosophical impasse. Before I go, a suggestion - if "being right" is so important to you, why don't you try to become the next contestant on Jeopardy?
David Silvia
3:01 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
There are other issues than can control a tax increase, commented on before is why the town employees have May 4th off with pay? This is a holdiday that has been long forgon about and there is no need to pay for this day off that realy has no bearance. So I put to the Council, why hasn't anyone done something about this. When I addressed our last TOWN Manager is was blown off. I now it is part of the contract for town employees, but its time to make that change. Hell it be better to see them have 9/11 off. 2ndly the Town's Phone system has been out of date, and the taxpayers have been paying for 2 phone comany's for years. Again this was brought to the TOwn Manager, and again nothing was done about it. How much money would be saved to eliminate that un-for-seen holiday, and correct the phone company issue and save money with one company instead of 2.
Gina
5:00 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Thank you for taking a look into those Cathie...I definitely think it's something to at least keep one eye on...I know there were several bills part of his package a few only intended for the "distressed" communities only but some may cover all of us..I do try to keep up with what;s happening on a state level that could effect us so I will definitely pass along anything I stumble upon..:)
Cathie Tattrie
10:03 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
thank you!!
Still Broke
8:02 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I want the best possible education for my kids but, I don't think more money necessarily equals a better education. We need to find ways to reduce spending instead of increasing taxes.
We have to 'think out of the box'. I hate that expression but, it applies. Way back when the US was primarily agricultural, students got the summers off so they could help their families with the farming. It's a new era with different challenges than it was then. We need to consider today's needs! Why don't we consider changing the school year to start in March and finish in December? That would really reduce the amount of money spent on heat. Or, increase the school day to 8 hours and reduce the number of days spent in school. Again, cut utility costs.
Why not larger classes? What's so magic about 18 kids in a class?
I just keep going back to more money doesn't mean better.
Kristen Quinn
9:43 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
I agree, more money doesn't mean better education. My concern is that too many people are looking to stick it to the teachers, to be blunt, by denying the requested budget increase. But it's not as simple as that - you can't assume that by denying the budget increase, the teachers will then be forced to take a pay cut. The issue is more complex than that, and my concern is that the children's educational experience will suffer instead. And over the years I've experienced both kinds of classrooms, the one with 18 kids and the one with 25 kids, and even with a good teacher in both classrooms, the one with 18 kids is a better learning environment.
John Tattrie
8:07 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Kristen, I apoligize, I wasn't ignoring you...I was so deep in question about a few things I did not go back and look at your previous posts. I will make it a point to compare the list of expenses given to me by an insider to the line items that the general public can view. I'll get back to you, Thanks Again for the info.
Kristen Quinn
9:44 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
No need to apologize, but thank you. I wanted to make sure you knew that UCOA was out there. It's supposed to make it possible to answer questions like the ones you've raised.
Jack Baillargeron
11:54 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
The problems of Bristol/Warren district was all predicted at its inception when Sundlun, crammed it down both towns throats with promises of a bounty of breaks and funds, that never materialized.
The taxpayers suffer mismanagement of the education system in this State. The blame is on politicians, Unions, Federal Government and taxpayers who were apathetic and accepted lies as truth.
It is not unique to Rhode Island; it is a nationwide problem. An education system destroyed with trillions spent, and little results. The system is broken. You can’t repair a system that is stitched together with archaic contracts, regulations, and management gone wild.
You must dump what is now the norm. It be painful, and everyone will sacrifice. We live in a State with the 5th Highest paid teachers in the Country, and 41st in education, according National Federation of Teachers, It is an embarrassment to the State and an insult to working people with children. When you can explain why that is, and the surrounding States are not even close to that disparity, then I will quit blaming politicians, Union Leaders, and Teachers who vote those leaders into power.
Jack Baillargeron
11:54 pm on Sunday, March 18, 2012
Union Members may like what those leaders get you in pay and benefits, but in the end, it is the taxpayer and the non-senior teachers on the short end of the stick, in a system that is now unsustainable by the taxpayers. That is reality period. As for politicians, they have forgotten what their job is. Under the Constitution it is the States responsibility to provide Basic Education ( 1-12 ). Not the federal Government, they actually are forbidden from it, as it is a right delegated to the States by our Constitution.
Our local politicians are not who I fault, unless they allow unnecessary expenses and contracts etc. Most of the problems are in State and federal politicians, trying to run our small towns from afar. I so tire of politicians and our president saying everyone should go to college. That is the biggest joke of all. No way is every child capable of college that is a fact.
In this State we have gotten rid of most of the public education in the area of trades. We have lost our way in hands on training for those who do not want, or can’t handle college. That is just the facts of genetics, like it or not.
marina peterson
12:46 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
While I don't live in Warren, I support their town council for making a strong effort to control costs. As I was perusing the budget during the lapse in the Warren Town Meeting last week (executive session), I was amazed to see such a huge difference in compensation for town positions Warren vs Bristol!! Same job, sometimes 40% less in pay. I am concerned about the number of people receiving a 'Cadillac' Blue Cross policy for life. But I am also concerned about about the buyback that employees receive for NOT taking their Blue Cross. I understand that it is over $5000 a year. This needs to be looked at! I remember in 2010 during our Voter Candidate forums that Diane Mederos was questioned on this and she replied that she agreed it should be done away with and it would be part of the next contract. Would that be now?
I agree with John that Blue Cross is a good place to start. Coverage for life for anyone is not sustainable any more. Actually, it never was. No-one pays attention to these things until they feel the pinch. Well, the pinch is here. And, while I am not totally immersed in the Warren Budget issues, I applaud them for trying to cut back and by holding to their decision.
Cathie Tattrie
10:29 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
Just to clarify a few things:
1) In voting to not give the school system more money, there was not an intent to force teachers unions into anything, it is not about them, its about finances
2) I believe that the town is taking a responsible look at the money we have and the ability to tax, and I think we have maxed that out
3) the Joint Finance committee does not have any say in how the money is spent, just how much to give
Dee
10:45 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
I think it is not up to the Council to decide HOW the school should make cuts, or manage their finances, but I do beleive the town Council should be the first to put their feet down and say NO! The schools have many places they can cut without the students ever even knowing.. start at the top and work down.. close the admin building, shut off some lights, computers, stop having custodians work until midnight, have them out by 9 or 10 and save the electricity, get rid of some of the admin support staff, lets look at school nurses? do we really need ONE For every school or can less expensive options be looked at? Do we need principals, vice principals, co principals, multiple deans? Anyway, I degress.... The way they spend thier money is not the council's problem but how much you give them is our main concern... SAY NO and let them work with a budget without any increases the way WE have all been living for at least the last 5 years... WHO? has gotten a raise in the last 5 years???? Only a select few!
Though... I do think the town of warren should also make some changes in their budget.. sell some of these old schools and buildings that are being UNDER USED... Help some of these companies willing to bring business to Warren to get up and running quickly, stop harrassing them about signs, parking spaces, etc.. just get them in there!
Cathie Tattrie
10:54 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
I agree that it is not up to the Council, just stated it, since some people do not realize we cannot.
McLaneThree
11:46 am on Monday, March 19, 2012
Cathie-
As one of the very few residents of Warren who actually attended the JFC meeting on Thursday, I must say I am disappointed to see you using this forum to bring your one-sided agenda to the "masses". I was impressed at what appeared to be a spirit of co-operation that the school committee brought to the table Thursday. By posting a letter that does not ask for comments in a neutral manner, but instead brings your agenda to center stage, you are turning this into an us versus them debate which is not productive. I would like all the residents of both towns to be well informed. What I got from the meeting is that the increase is actually only 1.52%. The 4% number you quote is because of the cut in state aid. It is not an increase to the actual budget. While I agree times are difficult, we cannot be short-sited when it comes to our children's education. Classrooms are already at capacity and teachers are being cut. We cannot undo contracts that were written and are legally binding without entering into protracted litigation that will do no one any good. We need to move forward in a spirit of co-operation. I have 3 children who attend Catholic school. With that being said, I still want the Warren school system to live up to its promise for all children. Let's combine other services if we need to between the towns or get creative about other cuts. Please consider the future of all children before berating the efforts of the school committee.
DownTown
12:46 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
If the school system here used the extra money from regionalizing for savings (its intended purpose) rather than increase imbedded costs then there would be no shortfall now.
Do you really think Bristol and Warren can maintain current funding levels plus increases for wages as the state funding progressively gets smaller over the next 10 years?
There are far less students in the school; system now than in 98-99 (-399) has there been a decrease in the number of teachers and support staff to account for that?
Cathie Tattrie
3:05 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
For me to put forth a blog in a "neutral" format would be disingenuous, since I already voted with the full Council to level fund the school department. Asking for the opinions of the people we serve seems the correct thing to do, Either they want us to increase the tax rate by ~$0.45 or they don't. What is the harm in asking? All of the other stats can be one thing to one person and one thing to another apparently, but the long and short is it would add $0.45 to Warren's tax rate.
Kristen Quinn
4:15 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
thank you, McLaneThree, for entering the discussion and contributing some words of wisdom. I agree, it would be a disaster for our town leaders to act in a short-sided manner regarding the education of our community's children. I also see the wisdom of moving forward in a spirit of cooperation, but I do not feel the Warren Town Council's vote to level fund the school district, before the Joint Finance public meeting has even occurred, shows such an intention. It sends an altogether different message to those of us who value education, in my opinion.
Still Broke
9:32 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
"only 1.52%"; "~.45", "4%". Not matter how you figure it, it means at least another $140 in taxes based on the town's overly optimistic valuation of my home. This is on top of 5.7% National Grid wants, the huge increase in heating oil prices, higher gas prices, the larger fees and broadened taxes Chafee wants. Where is all of this money supposed to come from? I already skip lunch most days because I just don't have enough money anymore.
Cathie Tattrie
12:54 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
No one is berating anyone. I am asking for Warren residents to let the Town Council know one way or the other how they feel. We have voted on our budget as required by the Charter to have in place at this time. My "agenda" is only to provide a balanced budget that meets the letter of the law and one that hopefully Warren residents can live with. To that end, this is the only forum I have to ask the question since we already had our budget workshops. Why you would berate me for asking citizens their opinions is very strange to me. There is obviously time for things to be adjusted in the Warren budget if need be or asking for opinions would be silly. We as Councilors get surprisingly little input to very important details such as these until they receive their tax bills and panic.
If you read the blog, which this is by the way, NOT a letter, there have been comments for and against giving the school department what they asked for, and I appreciate that. It helps me to see sides I may not have considered.
I have had this blog for over a year, and this is the first time I have printed anything political, and anyone that knows me knows that I truly want to hear what residents have to say.
As for your numbers, they are a bit misleading, The school department is allowed to receive 4% more from the towns than they did the previous year. That is exactly what they asked us for. The effect to the school department budget was 1.52% increase. Those are two different things.
McLaneThree
2:27 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Cathie-
I feel you most definitely have an agenda here and it is to put forth your position in the light most favorable to you as a councilwoman. I don't believe the numbers I put forth are misleading at all. I do, however, believe that when you say, "..that they figure the state says we can give them 4% more than last year, and they apparently built a budget backwards from there..." you are, in my opinion, berating the school committee's efforts and misleading people that there is a 4% increase in the actual school committee budget, which is simply not the case. Yes, there is an increase to the towns of roughly 4%, but that comes from a decrease in state aid. I also oppose the "Us and them" mentality that the above statement captures. In addition, I feel the BlueCross comment is also misleading. Again, this is not something happening now, it has happened in the past. If you would like to break contracts and/or question whether or not they are legally binding, that is a decision that can be made....but it is not without legal costs and an uncertain outcome. Finally, I did not berate you, indeed, I gave you EXACTLY what you asked for, my opinion as a resident of the town you serve.
Cathie Tattrie
2:55 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Without getting into a contest of words and selective reading, thank you for your input, you are right, I asked for what you wrote in the last part of your original post. My position has always been about what I think is best for Warren, and that comes from input from constituents.
John Tattrie
5:46 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
McLane Three, I must say that your input on this entire issue shed a light on a greater problem. Your thoughts of entitlement. I think the tap water at the Schools needs to be checked, Things are starting to sound very similiar to BCWA. Lets just spend with little or no explanation.
DownTown
5:56 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
John look at the numbers I've posted.
The tax increases that the schools want now will pale in comparison to what is coming down the road. Meanwhile there are far less children in the schools here than there were in 98-99.
Government sector unemployment is at 3.9% nationwide. They haven't been affected one iota by the bad economy that the private sector has had to deal with.
You don't increase taxes in a recession.
Funny anyone that wants to keep taxes where they are has an agenda while others that would tax and spend us into the poor house apparently have no agenda. That's a canard.
Cathie Tattrie
6:02 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Kristen, we have no choice but to put together a budget when we do, and to do so requires us to put a number in for education. It is part of the Charter that determines when we start our budget and what has to be available to the public when. Unfortunately, the school committee, Bristol and Warren's time frames are not in alignment. It is not us just trying to preempt the Schools presentation.
Kristen Quinn
7:28 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Thanks for the clarification, Cathie.
Jack Baillargeron
7:24 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
The problems Warren and Bristol face can all be put at the States feet period.
Rhode Island down the tubes.
March 19, 2012 at 6:37 pm
http://247wallst.com/2012/03/19/the-six-states-where-tax-revenues-are-soaring/#ixzz1pgfPAwiW
# 5. Rhode Island
> Increase in personal income tax: between 1% and 5%
> Expenditure per capita (2008): $6,093 (5th highest)
> 2009 budget shortfall: 26.6% (3rd highest)
> Home price decline from peak: 27.0% (7th largest)
Between 1977 and 2008, the state of Rhode Island has doubled its spending to $6,093 per person. The increase was driven by some of the biggest state programs in the country. In paying out unemployment benefits, the state covers 46.5% of weekly wages, the second-highest percentage of any state. Rhode Island is also among the top ten per capita spenders for education, Medicaid, and pensions.
According to Brookings, the state's tax revenue has been declining for decades as a result of a loss of manufacturing jobs. The slowing economy rebounded briefly during the housing boom leading up to the recent recession. Unfortunately, the real estate market collapse has put the state in an even worse position than it was before. Rhode Island has been forced to make across-the-board cuts in spending as well as increase taxes. The state increased cigarette taxes by more than 5%, and it raised personal income tax between 1% and 5%.
DownTown
7:59 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Jack the problems here are for the most part due to the school committee using the extra temporary regional funds to create new embedded costs as opposed to using it to create savings as was it's intended purpose.
Now that money is being phased out but the parents and the teachers will push and shove to make up the difference plus all the raises they want.
By the time the state cuts are done we will be expected to make up nearly $9 million a year plus all the raises along the way.
A little over a decade ago there were 400 less children enrolled here and I'll wager there were less teachers and support staff then also.
By law the towns have the right to level fund the schools at the same rate the town funded them the year before not at the same rate the school received in total.
Government sector employee unemployment is at 3.9% while the private sector is more than twice that. Public employees appear immune to the economy no matter what.
Jack Baillargeron
8:29 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
I agree Downtown, However the State and the Federal Government share a lot of the Blame for all of this education debacle nation wide. The federal government is forbidden from education by the founders, It is a right reserved to the states. The Fed got around it, with the Department of Education, and giving grants with strings attached to implement Federal Policy or no money, the State does the same thing to the towns.
This all was going to lead to an unsustainable system that we now have, for one reason, the grants eventually run out or are used for salary and benefits for decades now that have accomplished nothing but the destruction of the system. How soon we forget that getting the useless and bad employee's out of the system, whether management or standard employee's cost millions and takes years just to get rid of one.
I don’t think they get lifetime benefits of healthcare to my knowledge anymore. The ones who do get it still have to be paid because of the contracts forever.
Remember Obama praising central falls for dumping the whole teaching staff, they were suppose to only hire 50% of them back of the highest qualified. Instead Union deal, and all hired back and no outcry or change. This State is so corrupt for so long now on this and many issues, there is only one solution. Bankrupt the whole State dig up Roger Williams and start over.
I also agree we are growing Government employee's and governmen in general to unsustainable levels, State and Federal.
Gina
8:03 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Was just taking a look at the chart in the below article...since Warren is not 60% funded ( which seems to be the magic number )...could we be considered "critical" ?
http://www.rifreedom.org/2012/03/all-cities-and-towns-may-already-be-in-%E2%80%9Ccritical-status%E2%80%9D/?utm_source=Governor%27s+60%25+Critical+Test&utm_campaign=60%25+Test&utm_medium=socialshare
DownTown
8:12 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
If Chafees bill passes as he wrote it you are correct.
DownTown
9:28 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
If that is passed, it was introduced tonight in the GA, how they handle Bristol-Warren will be very interesting since Warren is under 60% and Bristol is at 64%
Jack Baillargeron
8:45 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Did you notice this "Downtown."
Bristol Warren teachers overwhelmingly turned down a contract offer presented by the Bristol Warren Regional School District earlier this month, setting the table for binding arbitration in drawn-out negotiations that have already gone on for 19 months.
Teachers voted 100-67 against the draft proposal, Once it begins, a familiar face will be at the table for the union. Jon Leidecker, an attorney with the Rhode Island Chapter of the National Education Association, will represent the union. Mr. Leidecker was found guilty last September of “cyber-stalking”
You can bet it has to do with, pay, pension or benefits definatly not the students. Property owners screwed yet again by some arbi"traiter" who has no skin in the game. The fix was obviously in, since 83 teachers decided to not even show to vote, old union tactic, to make the vote look closer.
Jack Baillargeron
8:44 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
oops, some content retyped from the east bay paper I got in the mail today ;-}
Gina
8:47 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
"Binding Arbitration" & "Leidecker"....not sure which is worse....
DownTown
9:02 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Where was that Jack? Binding arbitration was never passed AFAIK. Maybe our school committee agreed to it. Who are they for anyway? Not the property owners.
The education budget in this area is going to suck the life out of the towns, watch.
It's not like we don't have other funding issues. Bristol wants to award some workers 5% raises and 3% to the rest.
Teachers aides, school psychologists, assistant principles etc etc The bureaucracy of education these days is ridiculous. Kids going to school with clown makeup on and the town in general doesn't hear about till there is an incident. Makes me feel our property taxes aren't being used very well.
Get some actual cash out of RWU as opposed to them throwing a chair into a classroom and assigning a value to it.
Jack Baillargeron
9:16 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
misprint on mine, 272 teachers 105 didnt show to vote, same scam though.
Gina
8:54 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
And here is some nice bedtime reading...
http://www.warrenri.com/documents/2012/mar/21/2012-warren-town-budget/
http://www.warrenri.com/documents/2012/mar/21/2012-warren-capital-budget/
Jack Baillargeron
9:02 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I agree Gina
"Binding Arbitration" & "Leidecker"....not sure which is worse....
...
Kinda like getting kicked in the butt and the teeth.
Gina
9:07 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@ Downtown...
http://www.warrenri.com/news/2012/mar/20/teachers-reject-contract-offer/
DownTown
9:15 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Thanks Gina. I'd love to know what they turned down.
I'm betting the school system here has more employees now than in 98-99 when they were 400 more students.
Cathie Tattrie
11:47 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Below is an email that went out to the Hugh Cole Community.
Below is an excerpt of an email sent out to the Hugh Cole School Community:
One of our School Committee members has conducted an outreach to Cathie Tattrie a member of the JFC, as well as the Warren Town Council. She has shared with him that she will change her vote and will support the district if she receives 100 e-mails from constituents. Funding the full request (4%) would mean a 42 cent increase per $1,000 in local taxes. On a home valued at $350.00 that is approximately $145 for the year. Per quarter that is $36.25.
I know the economy has many families strapped these days. I do feel, however, the long-term benefits of a quality school system are the best investment a community can make in its most precious resource, children, as well as the economic health and well being of the community.
To cut to the chase, I am asking you to generate 100 e-mails to Cathie Tattrie and the members of the Warren Town Council in support of the BWRSD’s Budget Request before tomorrow night. I don’t know if this is possible, but if there is anyone who can do this, it is you all.
Thanks for your consideration.
Best,
Melinda
Thanks for taking the time to read her email and consider her proposal.
Angie Lombardi
Cathie Tattrie
11:48 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
This is my response since Melinda did not deem asking me if that was how the conversation went:
Please forward this along to your email group. Thank you.
What was said to Mr. Saviano, is that I have reached out the Townspeople of Warren through my blog on Patch, and asked for their input as to how much they would like their taxes increased. If I got more people telling me to give a higher amount than what we already budgeted to give the Schools, than I have people asking me not to raise taxes, then I would reconsider the amount. How he added in a number and misconstrued our conversation with a "magic Number" is unimaginable. There are approximately 10,000 people in the town of Warren, and even in our lowest voting turn out, more than 100 came out to vote. I do appreciate any input as it is a very important issue. But this campaign is not the conversation that was had. Thank you.
Cathie
Gina
12:59 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
So many thoughts come to mind when reading this...( other than the ones Dee has already mentioned )...if she doesn't retract part of this letter ( epecially the 100 part ), would you be able to generate the same type of letter with your thoughts like in this blog, to all the parents as well ?.. it seems a bit unfair, but they have the resources to get something like this to all district parents & you many need to do the same and I don't think this forum is gonna do it.
By the way...who is Angie Lombardi ? ( guess I should know this since I have a child in the system ? )..:)
Dee
12:15 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Seems very unprofessional of Melinda to encourage parents to partake in such an activity? I am not sure I beleive it... and why wouldn't this so called email be sent to all parents of the district, not just Hugh Cole parents?
I wouldn't expect that you, Cathie, would say, you needed a certain number to persuade you in either direction,,, if so, I am sure we can get 100 emails to ask that the council not approve the increase. I personnally can't afford any more increases. My taxes are high enough, and have increased quite a bit in the last 5 years. Let the school department work within their means... Trim the fat! and by that I mean start from the top!! Those who spend their days at desks NOT surrounded by Children should GO first! It's funny, I see so many teachers/TA's/ custodians out in the world working 2nd jobs, I don't think I have ever seen an administrator doing this... and I am positive they don't have papers to grade, grades to be submitted, plans to be made, supplies to be bought... all on their own time....Changes need to be made, and perhaps what the council is doing is in the right direction! Our school system is TOTALLY TOP HEAVY!! you know what they say about top heavy things... it will fall over eventually! Stay strong Warren Town Council and make the changes happen!
Cathie Tattrie
12:48 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I don't think she is trying to do anything other than support the budget they worked very hard on. However, a phone call to me would have been the more appropriate response to ensure there were no misunderstandings. Well, I only am a part of the Hugh Cole community, it may have gone out to others, but the PTO there is all I am a part of at this time. Thanks for your comments.
Still Broke
12:51 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Our second Jt. Finance Committee meeting is scheduled for tomorrow night, March 27that 7:00 pm at the MHHS auditorium. We have heard through various media postings that the Warren Town Council is unable to meet our 1.52% Budget Request and has been quoted that it will level fund the district. This would be devastating to the program and instructional supports we provide the children of Bristol and Warren.
One of our School Committee members has conducted an outreach to Cathie Tattrie a member of the JFC, as well as the Warren Town Council. She has shared with him that she will change her vote and will support the district if she receives 100 e-mails from constituents. Funding the full request (4%) would mean a 42 cent increase per $1,000 in local taxes. On a home valued at $350.00 that is approximately $145 for the year. Per quarter that is $36.25.
I know the economy has many families strapped these days. I do feel, however, the long-term benefits of a quality school system are the best investment a community can make in its most precious resource, children, as well as the economic health and well being of the community.
To cut to the chase, I am asking you to generate 100 e-mails to Cathie Tattrie and the members of the Warren Town Council in support of the BWRSD’s Budget Request before tomorrow night. I don’t know if this is possible, but if there is anyone who can do this, it is you all.
Still Broke
12:53 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I just received the email from Melinda and posted it above. I find it offensive and I hate when they break it down to $36.25/quarter. It's not only $36.25 quarter. It's $36.25/quarter for life and then compounded next year when they again ask for only 4% more. Disgusting.
Gina
1:17 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
We got a recorded message on the answering machine last night from her as a reminder about the meeting...while it didn't mention the emails, she did make sure to mention that this is the lowest amount they have asked for on record and also made sure to also mention how it's all about the children :)