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[POLL] Should RI Allow Same Sex Marriage?

Gov. Chafee Monday said all state offices must recognize out-of-state same sex marriages and that R.I. pass marriage equality.

 

Gov. Lincoln Chafee signed an executive order recognizing out-of-state same sex marriages Monday, reported the Providence Journal.

RI Future broke the story Monday morning and reported Monday afternoon that at a press conference Monday afternoon, Chafee said “Let’s get there ourselves. This is the home of Roger Williams. Come on, let’s go.”

The state General Assembly passes a law last June allowing for same sex civil union, but for many in the gay community that isn't enough.

“While this moves us closer to full marriage equality, nothing less is sufficient, and we will keep fighting," said Ray Sullivan of Marriage Equality Rhode Island, in a press release.

According to RI Future's Bob Plain, Chafee is talking to members of the General Assembly about passing marriage equality this session. While House Speaker Gordon Fox, who is gay, appears ready to support it this year, Senate President Teresa Paiva Weed will not support it.

Do you think the General Assembly should take up marriage equality this session or is the civil union passed last year enough? Vote in the poll below and leave a comment.

Robert E May 16, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Equal Marriage rights have been guaranteed by the US Constitution since 1868. The 14th amendment provides equal access to legal rights for all citizens. This is a nonissue, every state law that bars any individual from access to the legal rights granted to others is unconstitutional just as all of the laws barring women from voting previous to 1920 were unconstitutional, same goes for southern laws banning African Americans from voting previous to 1967. Easy.
Anna Palmieri May 16, 2012 at 07:48 PM
Trying to vote but will not accept my vote. Maybe because I am not voting the way You want me to
Anna Palmieri May 16, 2012 at 07:49 PM
Also trying to get results and can not
Robert E May 16, 2012 at 08:18 PM
Total votes 43 23 in favor 20 agenst
Bryan Palumbo May 17, 2012 at 04:52 AM
I voted yes because article IV provides that each state must recognize the actions of another state as legal. I also voted yes because the government, federal or state has no legal authority to define marriage nor limit it. That said, Robert E, Marriage rights were not guaranteed by the constitution by the 14th Amendment. That amendment calls for equal protection, meaning that the laws of the Federal and State governments must cover all citizens within their jurisdiction. If the government did have the legal right to define marriage, allowing or prohibiting same sex marriage would be completely legal because it applies to everyone, equally. Also, there is no such thing as "Marriage rights", a marriage is something given by either a religion or a state. It would be similar as if you said we have a "Driving rights", we don't.
bustopher1 May 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Of course Rhode Island should allow same sex marriage. Some day I'm sure it will but not until it ceases to be merely an extension of the Catholic church. Why one church feels it can control the lives of everyone in the state, follower or not, is beyond me. If a church and it's members don't choose to recognize same sex marriage, fine - don't. Just don't stop those who are living in the 21st century rather than the 15th. After all, it is the state that allows marriage. No one, straight, gay or otherwise without a state issued license. Any ceremony performed by a priest, minister, rabbi or whatever is just that - ceremony. Without the state issued license it is meaningless. It is way past time for Rhode Island to join the rest of the states in New Engalnd and stop discriminating against same sex couples!
3 All the Way May 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM
So I guess if you do support Gay Marriage you are either not a Roman Catholic or Christian. If you do support it and are one of the two groups mentioned, you should leave your church. You might as well support murder, see that is another thing you cannot do if you are a catholic/christian. So to these same sex supporters, I can assume you do not go to church, celebrate any religious holiday such as Christmas, right. You can't have it both ways. You people who support this are just lost and have no connection to God. Please, don't even try to defend this same sex thing. It just isn't right.
nan May 17, 2012 at 01:43 PM
I used to think civil unions for gay couples was enough. There are more and more rules I'm becoming aware of that recognize *only* marital status. It's not right that committed, loving couples are legally denied so many rights because they're both men or both women. There are plenty of marriages I don't approve of but all of them should have the same legal rights. Marriage equality should be law.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 02:36 PM
It's time for people to stop using the bible as an excuse for bigotry. Bigotry and Hatred wrapped in Religion are still Bigotry and Hatred. Religion enables the bigoted and hateful to believe that their bigotry and hatred is virtue.
3 All the Way May 17, 2012 at 02:47 PM
Robert E, By no means is it Bigotry or even hatred...If you are catholic/christian, this is not something you should follow. My religion is not allowing me to have this "Virtue" as you call it. It is a simple fact, if you believe in God, you must follow his teaching and scripture.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 03:03 PM
And why should this be something that if you are catholic/christian, this is not something you should follow.? What are you basing this on the fact that some guy in rome says so? Maybe someone needs to tell this to the priests they don't seem to have gotten the message. Because some homophobe 3000 years ago wrote it down in a book it's law for all time? Wake up it's the 21 century the inquisition is over.
Bryan Palumbo May 17, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Bust, the state isn't an extension of the Catholic church, but an extension of it's voters who happen to be mostly catholic.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 05:17 PM
By passing a civil union law you are making one group second class citizens and that is a violation under the 14th Amendment. Equil protection for all citizens. To everyone using the bible as an excuse to ban samesex marrage you are making an exalent case for gay marrage if the only basis is the bible then you are violating the First amendment by establishing your religion into law. you are using the law to force your religion onto others.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 05:30 PM
The Catholic church should not be injecting it's opinon into public law if it does then it should loose its tax exempt status. If the Catholic church does not want to perform same sax marrages that is fine if it wants to tell its members they can not marry someone of the same sex they can do that. There are rules in place in the church to deal with members that do not follow their rules (excommunication). What the Catholic church does not have the right to do is force thier views on non members and that is what they are trying to do. I am not a Cathoilc I am not even a Christian so your bible and rules do not apply to me. The laws in the bible only apply to followers of that religion if you read the bible you will realize gods commandments only applied to gods people. I was not one of his chosen people so he is not my god and his rules do not bind me like they bind you and I will not live by your gods twisted rules.
Anna Palmieri May 17, 2012 at 08:28 PM
I think that what bothers the Catholic people is that the gays are pushing their belief on the Catholic people as if to say the hall with your choice. I you want to live with a same sex person don't push it in our faces.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Anna I do not know of ant same sex couples that are insisting that the Catholic church perform a marrage ceramony for them but plenty of Catholics that are trying to keep same sex couples from getting married. It is the Catholics that are pushing their beliefs not the other way around. It is the church making an issue about this in Mass. this has been the law for years and noboby hears anything about it people just go on with their lives in peace.
Bryan Palumbo May 17, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Robert E. where do I say anything about Civil Union? And while I'm not Catholic, or Christian and I actually think same-sex marriage should be allowed, people can vote on whatever issue anyway they want, using any means they wish to form an opinion. We have Freedom of Religion in this country, not Freedom from Religion. You have a very faulty understanding of the constitution, if I were you, I'd read the document again leaving your misconceptions at the door this time.
Bryan Palumbo May 17, 2012 at 09:09 PM
Robert E, you really worry me. The fact that you can vote scares the crap out of me, even if we do agree on the base of this issue. Catholics are as much citizens of Rhode Island or the United States as anyone else is, you and I included. They can vote based on whatever they want to, their church, despite their church, the Bible, an article they read online or in the paper... anything! Catholics CAN express their opinions just like anyone else can. You sound like a Communist... only those who agree with you should be allowed to speak their mind. It's extremely sickening. If you want to change their mind, make reasoned arguments. Calling them bigots in the same breath that you are being bigoted yourself only solidifies their stance out of spite. They have as much a right to a religion as you do to not have one.
Robert E May 17, 2012 at 10:01 PM
I never said that you said anythig about civil unions you said th 14th amendment does not apply I say thet when the state passed a civil union law that the 14th amendment came into play.
Bryan Palumbo May 17, 2012 at 10:19 PM
Really, Rob? You know what we write stays on here. If you forget something you can easily go look at what was written again. You wrote, "Equal Marriage rights have been guaranteed by the US Constitution since 1868. The 14th amendment provides equal access to legal rights for all citizens." I wrote, "Marriage rights were not guaranteed by the constitution by the 14th Amendment. That amendment calls for equal protection, meaning that the laws of the Federal and State governments must cover all citizens within their jurisdiction. If the government did have the legal right to define marriage, allowing or prohibiting same sex marriage would be completely legal because it applies to everyone, equally." You responded, "By passing a civil union law..." I know using a straw man is a natural debating tactic but to not realize that you did it is funny. We were talking about marriage, not civil unions, and marriage is not a right for anyone, gay or straight. Civil Unions would be a violation UNLESS every single benefit/impediment that relates to marriage also relates to Civil Union. If that's the case, then each citizen has Equal Protection under the law and it is not a violation.
Mrs. B May 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. God does not force anyone to accept Him, believe in Him, or even listen to Him. God gave man free will.
Robert E May 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Bryan I will give you this one but I still feel equal protection is equil protection for everybody. If a man and woman in love can get married then a man and a man in love or a woman or woman in love should be on different. This is a matter of civil rights and should not be left to popular opinion. The majority shoud not be denying rights to the minority.
Robert E May 18, 2012 at 01:03 AM
Bryan I never said that Catholics do not have a right to comment what I said is the Catolic Church does not have right to inject itself into political matters that would be in violation of their 501c tax exemption. If they want to get involved pay taxes like the rest of us. you call me a Communist but it is you who want to take away my right to vote. Even if I were a Communist I would still have a right to vote. Why is it every time I say I am not a Christian it is assumed that I do not have a religion. I am very religious I just do not wear it on my sleve I see no reason to bring my religious views into the conversation. Whenever you get into a conversation with a christian on subjects like this thsy feel the need to bring god, the Bible, and their religious views into the conversation where it does not belong they feel the need to force those view on other people and when you tell them you are not Christian they tell you you are going to hell and you need to find god. I didn't know he was lost I have a god and am very happy with them and do not fell the need to replace them. I don't try to convert them to my religion and just ask the courtesy. I want to be able to walk into a store and not be denied service because the Christian behind the counter doesn't want my kind in his store.
Bryan Palumbo May 18, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Rob, for full disclosure, I'm what they used to call a Deist. I believe in a higher power, I just don't think there's a Religion out there that got it right yet, and if there is I'm not "feeling" it. And what I meant by that Catholic stuff was that the Catholics, as a Religion have rules, just like all religions do. They can have those and that church is made up of people, those people can say whatever they want to say and they can vote however they want to vote. Because we do live in a Republic and people of all stripes have a right to vote, if a state is mostly Catholic, like Rhode Island is, then our laws are going to mirror Catholic doctrine. They aren't forcing anyone to be catholic, but if a state is 75% Catholic and they are having a referendum on Same Sex Marriage, chances are it isn't going to pass. The way to fight that is by going to the Constitution. The Constitution(of both the US and a state) gives those governments powers. The government starts with zero powers, the ratification of the Constitution is the way the people cede power from themselves to the governments and they do so with stipulations(Protecting the Freedom of Speech, for instance). If you look in the Constitution of both the US and Rhode Island (and most states, unless they passed a "marriage amendment like NC did), there is nothing in there on Marriage. Which means lawfully, they have no power to regulate it at all.
Robert E May 18, 2012 at 03:27 AM
Bryan the problem I have with the Christians is not the religion but the fact that they want everyone to be Christian. They for the most part don't seem to understand that not everybody is a Christian. I for once would like to have a discushion with them on a subject like this with out having to bring up the bible. They can't seem to figure out that saying God said so in the Bible does not convince me. You don't see other Religions coming here and saying to the Catholics it has to be this way because buda says so. Lord Shiva said it should be this way but they always have to tell you what Christ wants. The sane chapter of the Bible that calls a man lieing with a man an abomination also says eating shellfish in an abomination but you neve see the Catholics protesting in front of Red Lobster or partitioning the state house to abolish the quahog as the state mollusk because it offend God. The thig I have found is many Christians have very little knowledge of their own bible they only know what their priest tells them but few read the whole thing for thamselves. I just get tired of being told I need to follow Jesus all the time.
Robert E May 18, 2012 at 03:36 AM
And which God is this there are so many to choose from and so many have had sons I don't know which God you are refering to? My personal favorite is the Dagda he had many children. May the Goddess Danu shine her blessingd down upon you.
nan May 18, 2012 at 02:30 PM
We're talking about a partner not being able to visit their loved one dying in the hospital because they're not "family". We're talking about a partner not being eligible for coverage by their loved one's health insurance plan. We're talking about inheritance, filing taxes, burial, picking your kid up from school, rules and regulations that will not recognize same-sex marriages - laws in RI.
Ray Andrews May 18, 2012 at 03:14 PM
If you're against gay marriage because it dilutes the integrity or sanctity of marriage, then divorce should be illegal. If you're against gay marriage because the participants are in opposition to your religions definitions of a couple, then atheists should not be allowed to be married If you're against gay marriage because the purpose is to produce a family, then the elderly and infertile should not be allowed to be married. If you're against gay marriage because of the perceived "character" of the participants, then murderer and a crack addict of opposite sex should not be allowed to be married. If you're against gay marriage because you just "feel" that it is wrong, then by all means, don't have one.
Robert E May 18, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Same sex marrage has been legal in Massachusetts for 8 years now and no ones lives have been changed except he people who were allowed to get married. It has had no effect on hetrosexual marrage and gays are not having sex in the streets. All the doom and gloom the the anti marrage crowd predicted has not come to pass. What difference is it to the church if a same sex couple live together or they get married no one is forcing the church to perform the marrage. why does the church feel they have the right to hold non members to their rules. You hear the church quote the Old Testament all the time but you never hear people of the Jewish faith quoting from it in these cases and it's their book. That is because they know that those rules only apply to members of the jewish faith. They know the Lord commanded these things of the hebrews not the gentiles if only the Christians could figure this out.

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